That idea was explored in the novel "Forever Midnight" where the Preds can change gender pretty much at will.

...... Then again,it is non-canon......

When we yell at people about "non-canon this, canon that," etc. it's because we're trying to get it through people's skulls that certain ideas don't exist in actual Xeno/Yautja lore, like when people try to convince us that King Aliens are supposed to fit into the natural life cycle even though the niether the films or ACM haven't shown anything close to a King. Yes, they might have been in a comic or game, but that doesn't make it official, and that DOESN'T make it a good idea.

Right now, though, we're discussing the issue of genders in the AVP universe, and all kinds of possibilities are present, so yes, bringing up something like Forever Midnight is totally legitimate as long as it sounds like a sound theory. Remember, some of the official writers/directors of the films might come across fan-made theories and bring them into canon. One of the most widely-known pieces of info - the fact that Predators hunt in triads - was non-canon until it was shown to be fact in Predators.

Of course, there are times when fans over analyze simple Easter Eggs (like the infamous Xeno skull at the end of Predator 2) and start claiming "but it was in a film so it was canon!!!!11" which makes me want to donkey punch a baby kangaroo in the dick. Please don't be that fan.

Bottom line is, we're discussing a theory, so bringing up other theories - as long as they're not fucking stupid - is alright.

What if a chalupa is really a predator egg, oh yeah, no fucking stupid ideas, darn.

I always just used the simple logic that Xenos were Asexual. Drones/warriors are basically genderless or worker males, led by a superior who laid the eggs so they were presumed "queens" and therefore female. But as far as here for RPG sake, Xeno members will simply have to suck it up. They know they're going to have to follow a queen from the moment they sign up. As far as we know and go by in RPGs there are no "Kings", I remember in RPGs I used to be so non-canon that it irritated others, so yeah following a girl might lower man points or some crap but honestly... Deal with it lol.

RPGs used to be like, my life. Yautja or not in Balatu Clan I rarely had more fun than in RPGs. Films alone aren't necessarily the only source for what is "canon" but for the most part they are so until I see a "King" in either a movie or successful game (like avp2 on the pc or avp back in 2010) as far as I'm concerned, there are none.

Xeno members kind of have to stick for very strict guidelines for RPGs, Yautjas on the other hand, we kind of have quite a bit more imaginative freedom lol. But that's the fun of it for both sides really.

I've seen the old formula for Xeno roleplaying (Dave/Crow's unwritten (or written in Crow's case)* guidelines and how everyone followed them) and while that's fine, I like to push the boundaries on that because it's just so boring for everyone to do the same thing (and I'm just a little shit rebel). I really don't believe there's a proper way to play as a Xeno as long as however you're playing sticks around the few unwritten rules (things like "No speaking to humans/Predators," "no godmodding," "stay creepy," etc.). What I did was, rather than acting like the Warriors from Aliens like everyone does, I acted like the Drone from Alien, which was one of the better moves I've ever taken.

But then everyone eventually started writing like that and it got out of hand, and the more it happened, the more I changed my writing style until it became the nonsense it is now, which is partly why I haven't written a new post for the current RPG in some time. Now I see why Crow had strict rules for the way Xenos acted, but I still think we shouldn't be confined to "The slender serpent, stirred from slumber, rose in a majestic manner and hissed in delight." I don't knock anyone who writes like that - there are plenty of members (a majority of the older members, actually) who make it work like a charm. But if you have a unique voice, use it. ...But as evidenced by the beginning of the current RPG, don't force/abuse it.

Basically, Xeno's don't have to be so strict about roleplaying, they just have to put their imagination to work in different areas than Predators.

*While Crow's guide actually had good advice, I feel it was too demanding of how we should act. Iseijin's, though incomplete, let us feel much more open about how we should go about things.

Sorry for the off-topic rant, that's just something I feel strongly about.

Actually it's not so off topic after all. When people type blandly "the Alien stood up and hissed" it's always annoying, but same can go for when everyone tries too hard and types the same thing. And honestly the way people post in an RPG greatly affects all of this. If we were to add a king or genders to Xenos then the way people post will change. They may try to make their Xeno more masculine or feminine, and in that sense more human, and although its nice to see unique character or personality in a Xeno, humanity and personic characteristics ruin the horror and idea of them. It's like if a Yautja RPG player tried to add human like actions like asking a female Yautja "hey baby? Wanna hit the club and go to my place later?" While teenagely leaning against the wall, lets face it, Predators don't exactly do that... Adding character and personality to your character is good, as long as you stay in character or in this case species.

Basically I'm saying adding too much gender depth to Xenomorphs might open up doors to too much for a character, which Xenos for the most part are bugs, and therefore work in a hive or "pack" and having rebellious individuals and too many unique lone wolf types would just... Break away from the experience in my opinion. I personally find reading a bunch of humans writing as if they are bugs in a joined pack to be very very interesting, and like I said, that adds to the fun, just like playing the video games, the species you choose decides how you best can play the game, alone, in a pack, head on, or a stalking hunter, same goes for the RPGs if you think about it.

And while we're on the subject of RP limitations, my character (The dickless wonder) skews pretty fucking far from "strict canon interpretation." Again, RPGs HAVE to bend the rules just for the sake of variety.

Lol man, I used to give mine super powers, I think you're fine. But like I said in my previous post, a little character and personality is good, but there is a line for too much when it just starts to not fit. I extend my explanation in my previous post.

"having rebellious individuals and too many unique lone wolf types would just... Break away from the experience in my opinion. "

That's actually exactly what happened. For a while, I was the only one writing with a Giger Drone personality. Then when the new RPG came around, there were suddenly so many "The Joker" Xenos that it just didn't work. I was flattered and all, but it was also sort of aggravating seeing so many people try their hand at it. It made me change my writing style again, but this time for the sake of changing it rather than trying to write better, which was a horrible mistake. ...And then people started using my new style.

It's not like I'm the only one allowed to write in rapist-style or "Oregon Trail"-style, but it just got really messy. I'm actually finding myself going full-circle and writing in the old style just because so many people are now either sex-crazed serial killers or deranged assholes. On one hand, it's messy, but on the other, who am I to say anything? Maybe they're experimenting; I have no right to tell people how to act, otherwise I'd be everything I don't like about Crow's guide.

I guess the topic of gender issues does tie into all of this through our RPG characters' personalities.

Edit: I think the thing about being sex-crazed like the Giger Drone was that, first and foremost, I wrote as a naive child that had great power and the sex drive of a porn star - in other words, as the Giger Drone. If I my character was evil, it was just an after-effect of the whole "rape" thing - same as the Drone.

But with all these new Joker Xenos, they're all evil for the sake of being evil, and they're sick and deranged for no particular reason. I GAVE my old character a reason to be so full of hate - he had a goal and his own way of achieving things, which had character development that I didn't plan on but worked awesomely. And most of all, his method of destruction was through the only way he knew how: by being a Xenomorph. Not a criminal, not an evil mastermind - just a Xenomorph that wanted to become a Queen. And he achieved his goals by being the monster from the films. (Not to toot my own horn or anything.)

Best of all, that version of my character died, so he had... closure, I guess.

EDIT: WAIT... Xenomorphs don't really need a reason to do what they do, they just do it.

I...

Lol I get what you're saying. Bro I used to make like an ominous smoke or fog always surround mine and I think once I gave him like Ice powers or some telekinetic illusion stuff I don't know so we've all embarrassed ourselves. But I think I may try to hit in the next RPG, may be fun, it's been years for me. Don't worry, I've matured a little since then it won't be so ridiculous lol.

But As far as this whole King thing goes with RPGs I think genders should stay left out. We have enough gender variety in Humans and Rank variety in Preds, the Xenos are the side where everyone is seemingly the same, that's why they're different, there's your variety. When you follow humans you have a bunch of people that aren't much different other than sheer personality, Preds (usually all being young ones on an early hunt) are seemingly similar other than rank and skill, and Xenos are basically equal, so between members you see how different people would go about things differently.

As humans it's like this. A bunch of people with the same equipment, but some are headstrong violent warriors, some are quiet snipers, some smart techs with scout equipment and some are caring Medics, so we see different styles there. With Yautja they're mostly young new Hunters but we get to see different styles, similar to human with the different equipment but the personalities are more limited and the equipment is more variable. With Xenos It's basically the same personality and same equipment they just... different brains. How would One Xeno approach a clueless pack of Human soldiers at a camp sight different then another Xeno with the same personality and Instincts and battle skills? It's honestly quite interesting to see how one site member would interpret the situation different from another. If we add too much variety to the species, not only does it become a less interesting AvP RPG, but also it would become too much like Human Marine Players.

I'm basically repeating myself in every post so I'm going to quiet down until I have more to say lol.

I tried to be like the drone, I really did. I had what I wanted at first, but there was too muck plot. I think us xeno's should stick to the less insane ideas. A good formula is "survive and have fun". Not blablabla I have a wand. While I admit I venture into that territory now, I am doing so to survive. And by I, I mean my RP character.



AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH Too much plot for drone. So much makes jokers.

Just gotta say Bloo, I know I have been one of the fucked up ones. But I think my character has a good reason. She is living with two people inside her head, one the sense seeing kinda fucked up one. The other the fucked up one that can sometimes influence or even control the body. I took the inspiration of this character from myself. So I have to say that I have a good reason to write my character like this.

And I couldn't quite tell if you were directing anything at me, just voiced my piece.

but I am a warrior male fertile or breeding with the females xenomorphs

HunkGenetic, I think that's called the Alpha Male, which is what me and Waralien are, that's just going by the theory that, like ants the Queens do get fertilised by another xenomorph, and mixing that in with the Alpha Male mentality that dogs have. I guess that would be the closest thing to a King we'll ever see on this website. And anyway, seeing as you're not a leader/co-leader of either xenomorph clan, I don't think you could be an Alpha Male. A former one, perhaps.

And Bloo, I'm flattered that you think you could learn things from me :')
I'd make a new topic for this but I can't think of what the title would be.

I made a new thread so we can discuss this further.

wait a minut, if the raven in aliens cm is a preatorian...then doesnt that mean that preatorians are canon?

edit: I know Death drop, but the idea just occured to me, any ways, the queen alien could use a king alien, it could be added as the final stage of the male xenomorph life cycle, correct me if theres a problem with the king being added to the stage. (wow..this topics is popular allready!?)

No. Because it's not one. And furthermore, this thread is not about the Raven.

I think the Raven was something else. And the reason that there is no King, as has been discussed in this thread, is because there's no need for it. Praetorians are the closest things to a king that we'll probably ever see in the Canon.

a preatorian is either the royal gaurd or the prince of the hive but not the king, who knows, they just might make an alien or AVP3 movie with one, but personally I think it would be really ***** awsome if they made the king canon. Like the theory at the very first page, he could be either a stronger version of a preatorian, the last stage of a MALE xenomorph's life cycle, or other reasons. If it happens, make the king like 4 times as big as a queen. :D