To the person who started the topic. It's your opinion. :)

Personly I think that so many people thought the first one was a let down that a lot of people will probaly start to either spam this topic due to thinking your strange and also start to dislike you.

The reason being that most AVP fans are looking for... Well they are hoping this movie will revive the AVP franchise which is why there is so much hype at the moment, I personly don't take any offence but a lot of people can. I prefare to see the movie first before making such alogation of the movie being "trash".

All anyone has seen so far are trailers, They mean nothing, Just a small insite to the movie, Quick clips which have been done, Them clips might not even be in the final movie.

So to sum up what I am trying to say, If you don't want to get spammed and disliked about anything, You atleast have to see it or experiance it first before even thinking about anything negative about it.

Yet once again, What I have said is my opinion yet I have also been victom to some of this myself which is where I learnt from my mistake.

Just some friendly advice to one person to another. :)

Yeah i suppose i went a bit overboard when expressing myself. Sorry guys.

We could make this topic a pros and cons?

Pros:
-Design of both creatures was good and original
-The Predalien or 'Hybrid' was finally introduced
-Some very cool weapon designs for the wolf
-We got to see the Yaut'ja homeworld for a breif moment
-The Blood and Gore factor had improved greatly.
-The effects were also good mixing suits with CGI ect
-We had a proper look into a predator ship
-Some of the fight scenes were good, i liked the sewer battle the most


Cons:
-The story was normal, and wasn't that intruiging
-'Some' of the Dialouge was terrible "people are dieing..we need guns"
-The Hybrid had reproductive organs
-The Hybrid knocked around the other drones like rag dolls
-The scene with the Pregnant woman having 3 or more chestbursters in her was just 'messed'
-The ending wasn't too good close to 'Aliens' and 'AVP' really (escaping and BOOM)
-If the Wolf was sent down the clean up the mess then why didnt he bring others? (i know the whole Honour stuff, its just that he couldnt take a whole hive of xeno's)


Theres a few other pros and cons but yeah, thats what i thought.

you missed a pretty major con, the character development. i mean honestly all we really got was, some random brother outa jail, some speech about looking at a clock when actually looking at a chick, a jealous boyfriend, and a daughter wanting her dad to read her a story rather then her mom.

i suppose ill mention a pro, i like how they did mention yutani, but will we ever get info on the weyland yutani merger?

as ive said before the film passed my expectations but anyone who knows me should know i wasnt very hopeful for the film. to me it improved on the core aspect of what the film should be...

from what i recall the one constant reason that AvP got such a bagging was the fact that the fights were few and far between. AvP-R tried to rectify this.

did anyone honestly expect good acting? really? its a damn Vs. movie! the point of the movie is to see aliens "vs" predator, not detailed character story and plot development. who cares about the human characters when we want to see two icons go up against one another.

so...

Pros
-a predator that knows what it's doing
-better creature design
-gore!
-the soundtrack
-the fights
-the pred homeworld
-the random kickass fanboy moments eg.the end fight
-the rain

Cons
-the acting
-running time
-ending
-questionable xeno biology
-undeveloped/questionable Yutani reference
-the darkness

not a complete list but i need to see the film a few more times before i can do that.

ahh a pro and cons topic which evolved from a trash talk about avp-r how wise, I saaw the movie yesterday and it was awosme aside from these few cons

cons:
main actors you thought would live die. e.g. if you never saw the trailer you assumed the blonde chick survies, the bartender chick dies, the cop makes a dumb decision and dies

a few dark scenes that are hard too see

poor acting in a few scenes

pros: the fights where even

we saw new tech from the preds and there home world

the aliens where done perfectly in my opion

the predalien was kickass, and althou
gh freaky when impregnating the pregnant chikcs we all saw that more then one chestburster came out which validates the disgusting/entertaing scene

there was blood,lots of blood! where in avp the only blood you saw was either on the preds weapons dripping down them or that scene where the guy who slid down the hole got killed, and we get to see chestbursters pop out of living people instead of the one scene after lex kills the guy and you dont see blood splash out...blood really matters to me in either a pred or alien movie and just so you all know I hate horror movies cause I'm shit scared (excluding nightmare of elm street series and FvJ cause theremore funny then scary in some scenes) so AVP-R ROCKS! that is my opion.

edit: sorry venom dont agree with ya on this one mate.

Pros-
Good creature design
Minimal CGI
Score
Length of fights
Violence
Yutani reference
Balanced fights
Predator homeworld

Cons-
Bad dialouge
Many "man-in-a-suit" moments
Unexplained reproduction by the predalien
Acid blood occasionaly "shuts off"
Lighting
Blatant throwbacks
Alien growth accelerated

Overall I thought it was a good movie. It definatly met my expectations and I enjoyed it. Although it has its bad parts, AVPR is a good edition to the franchises.

I don't think Aliens' growth was accelerated. Its more like it fast-forwarded to their full growth. Is it hard to understand that? lol

Saw it last night and I was generally disappointed...
I surprisingly loved the original AVP. What I liked was that it linked the two movie series and gave you history and backround on both creatures. You find out more about them both and their history. To me that was the real attraction of that film. As the 7th or so film in the Aliens and predator line, I hadn't expected much more than a low budget last grab for some cash. Even though it went almost straight to video - it was good!
The film I saw last night gave you no new information about either pred or aliens(practically). It did look like they had a pretty good budget, probably based on the unexpeced video success of AVP. The effects were good, cinematography was good, but the story was really lacking for many of the reasons already mentioned:
-Why skin human and leave him to be found when you are on clean up duty?
-Why does only 1 wolf go to clean up? Send an army!
-Tried to develop too many human characters and didn't sufficiently develop one. They should have developed 1 or two at most and let the predators and aliens take the focal role. Less focus on humans other than showing links to android and the girl...
-Fight scenes were too close quarters and too dark. I understand darkness helps you hide cheaper costumes, but c'mon, let me get a good look at the aliens and hybrid at least once.
-You see a brief shot of the homeworld, but it's really useless.. what did you learn from it-nothing! Give us something!

Either the writer or editor didn't understand that the key to the first AVP was that you learn more about the pred and aliens. They didn't give us anything significant in this film. They had a great opportunity to build on the last one and seemingly went out of their way to miss the mark. I was hoping that someone could really make this good and give the franchise new legs. Did they just go for quick cash this time?

PS. I've always had a problem with how the aliens go from chestbusters to full size in seemingly no time, but leave the human bodies in tact. You'd think they'd have to eat enough to grow that big, but what are they eating? I'm willing to suspend reality if they would just give some vaguely plausible hint at how this happens. Do they eat dirt and silica is what makes up 90 percent of their exoskeleton? Give me something...

Fastforward isn't accelerated?

-Why skin human and leave him to be found when you are on clean up duty?

THey do it to show territory, kinda like the animals pissing in places

-Why does only 1 wolf go to clean up? Send an army!

Think if it as a challenge fo rhim to do.

-Tried to develop too many human characters and didn't sufficiently develop one. They should have developed 1 or two at most and let the predators and aliens take the focal role. Less focus on humans other than showing links to android and the girl...

Then, you would be complaining about that. THey do alot more with humans, to give us more thoughts of preds and aliens

-Fight scenes were too close quarters and too dark. I understand darkness helps you hide cheaper costumes, but c'mon, let me get a good look at the aliens and hybrid at least once.

THey did several times, i seen alot of great shots of the predalien.

-You see a brief shot of the homeworld, but it's really useless.. what did you learn from it-nothing! Give us something!

It told me alot about them, just one question.

What does a female pred look like

"the key to the first AVP was that you learn more about the pred and aliens"

i disagree, while it was a very interesting and important part of AvP it is not the key element, as i said before the key is the alien fighting the predator not a history lesson. besides ive heard many people complain about some AvP alien/pred history.
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also the only thing AvP told us was about pred culture, nothing really about the xenomorphs (apart from the fact that predators "farm" them for hunting)


one last thing, the shot in AvP R does tell us alot with out telling us too much and leaving the mystery i dont really want to see too much shown otherwise it would kill off exactly what we do here, discuss and imagine.

oh and wasnt the theory that the Aliens in AvP had been genetically altered by the preds to grow faster for the hunt? wouldnt we then just assume the aliens in AvP-R have the same altered genes explaining the growth

i actulay thought it was pretty good movie, i like how the put little cameos of the previous films